I too am appalled by the hate and hypocrisy. No, YOU’RE dividing us. Why can’t everyone see we are being manipulated to hate each other….a divided USA is a weakened USA. Liberal bullies stooping to liberal name calling tactics. Don’t you know? I would start one if I knew how. If you appreciate this blog and would like for it to continue, please donate to help keep it going. I left yesterday. “We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry. As you can guess, many of the actors we sew for are gay and we know each other’s beliefs. Fine. (You can get the full details of the scarf story at the MizDi post. But Jackie, they ARE keeping politics on their site – just the politics they want to see. My knitting life will go on just as enjoyably after ravelry. I don’t need them and, clearly, because of a vote in a single election, they don’t want me. I was a R member since 2007, so needless to say, I had a ton of content saved there. So, I deleted my account because their decision to ban support of Trump only helps to perpetuate this massive hysteria that has overwhelmed this craft for a long while now. Ravelry’s announcement on Sunday, June 23rd came as a surprise to many users and followers. Australia has $1.1 billion dollars of unclaimed money. I said goodbye to all of my patterns and closed my account too. Banning talk and support for Trump is not a bad move on their part. ... Ravelry has many … Definitely not an attempt to prevent attacks…that statement was an attack. Perfectly said. Ravelry is an emotionally bankrupt business, petty, mean and small minded. I work for a non profit healthcare center that cares for impoverished immigrants. They don’t even know me and apparently they don’t even want to get to know me. Thank you for sharing your view. Ravelry’s old logo, complete with Pride flag to show their history of inclusion. I mulled it over for about a week, then downloaded my patterns and deleted my account. I have seen a few blogs/vlogs from various designers who have stated they are in the process of removing their patterns due to the new policy. The people who can’t seem to find anything wrong with this policy are the ones that it isn’t affecting. I can live without all their bells and whistles when those bells and whistles have strings attached that are untenable. Your well written post gives me hope that someday maybe America will knit again. This was the last straw, though. We continually cautioned our members about “feeding the trolls” we tried to self-censor as best we could without stifling conversation and reasonable free speech. These are simply left-wing liberals who are letting their personal hatred and intolerance rule the day. What does knitting have to do with politics? So, where is the site that we can regroup, and um, rival, raverly? I don’t think we can rely on the news channels or Facebook or Twitter or Youtube or Kitting blogs to to find the truth about our government leaders. As Arizona has been experiencing a surge in the number of COVID-19 cases, a Valley man says his family has been especially impacted by the virus. Check out Fiberocity and Our Unraveled.. You might find what you are looking for on one of those already underway. It’s quite obvious. Keeping ALL politics off would have been a smarter choice, and they could have been diplomatic about. It was the only time I ever saw him. They have excluded anyone whose opinion differs from theirs. Has anyone here received an invitation to Ravelry? This post was suggested to me and it was like an algorithm knew what I wanted to read. Go to any of the tech/social media/information sites — Google, Twitter, YouTube (a Google subsidiary), Yahoo, Pinterest, Ravelry, etc. He Googled it for me and in the subsequent article describing the Trump ban, a quote from you was found. Sorry, not buying it. More than 150,000 small investors have forgotten about $451 million worth of shares. It is like a gut punch reading your comments. And, of course, American military personnel have also been fighting in other areas of the Middle East, many of them in Afghanistan. I understand your point of view, and I tried to see it your way at first. It could have used its platform to draw people together, it took the opposite road. No way are there nearly as many Scientologists. I also deleted my account. They’ve done just exactly what the author of this piece has said… they’ve made it *impossible* for anyone to bridge gaps or come together over a shared interest and development of friendships. Add my name to the ‘Found you after leaving Ravelry’ list. I get what you mean but it’s kinda difficult to look past someone accusing you of supporting white supremacy. You said it, “I came here to knit”. Some people are just too sensitive. Ravelry is big (with over 2 million users) and there are many kind users who want to help you make the most of your experience. They sounded very mean spirited and intolerant, ironically what they accused Trump and his supporters of being. Why didn’t they just do that? There are appropriate venues for that, but Ravelry isn’t where I’d expect to go for that discussion. I think thats the point, Rav owners stated (in their written statement) “Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy.” They broad bush painted /ACCUSED others of being “white supremacists” If they didn’t want politics, they should have banned hate speech against trump, F*ck Trumps patterns, as well as banning any political patterns/comments supporting ANY political point of view or candidate. My letter fell on deaf ears as I expected it would. A hurl of insults will come flying at you because obviously you disagree with their new policy because you’re a (fill in any derogatory slur you can think of). I recommend DuckDuckGo. Instead, they made a wild leap from nationalist to white nationalist. We are exhausted with the struggle, we are exhausted with trying to go along to get along. I’ve been a member for years. I am so saddened by the hatred that has popped up in discussion groups on both sides. I want to be in a community with other knitters. You understand that pain, yet you stand against other who experience that same pain in different ways. See for yourself if your account is still live – go to the main page, click the magnifying glass, on the page that appears, click “people” and have at it. He is looking for input from the early members on how to make the site be what we want it to be. We need to bridge the gaps. Oh, that would make it a perfect world, wouldn’t it? I have always shied away from sanctimonious ideology-its such a negative place to be. Naome— I used Ravelry for many years and enjoyed it until it became a political cesspool. So that had to die a hideous death in the name of "fairness". That they can’t see that is just sickening to me. Also, for those who do crafts and have marketable skills, whether it’s teaching or designing projects, the internet is a godsend for bringing together seller and buyer. Sadly, those attacks still happen outside Ravelry: on Instagram, on blogs etc. Donald Trump's administration has seen a revolving door of Cabinet members in its first 2 1/2 years. I have deleted my account as well and shared your post to Facebook. I don’t care if you are rich or poor. Nobody left for just one guy, they left because of the bigotry policy. It’s just that the extremes are the loudest. You should start your own Ravely type site. A discussion. Anyway, thanks again. You can find out your Ravelry number (when you joined Ravelry's 4,213,343 users) using the Konami code.Here's how. Beautifully put! I left ravelry for the same reasons as many of my friends who are pattern designers. You CHOSE to stand alongside a man who harasses women and speaks about entire groups of people as though they are less than human. That’s exactly my thoughts/position! They’re supposed to be the coexist crowd! The NRA has never provided solid numbers on how many members it has, yet a look at what data is out there suggests that its claims may be wide of … It’s kicking the Christian time at R. God Is Love is not homophobic at all. I hate that they chose to handle things this way. I’ve shared your blog there! Secondly, I fail to see how anything could have been any more offensive than a project reading “F” Trump. You may be right, but I haven’t been on Ravelry much in the last two years. This is exactly why I’ve left Ravelry. I haven’t had time to think about if I’ll delete my account. Since it is privately run they can ultimately do what they want. I am also a Southern, Christian woman, not a POC. Actually dems are taking a page out of your book. I live in a country with sooooo many issues and a government that I would rather not talk about. Where, exactly do you get this notion that the president hates anyone? He doesn't want to get rid of politics on ravelry. THAT IS A COUNTRY. They enjoy sharing ideas and untangling knotty problems. Thank you for expressing the thoughts of many of us in such an eloquent fashion. Not so much anymore. I have always thought that in it’s purest form knitting allows time for personal reflection, allowing us to turn to the quiet part of our soul and listen without all of the maddening noise that we’re constantly barraged with. I am a South African. I’ve been in tears this week over the mess on ravelry. Rachael (Rashieknits). I am quite skilled at creating my own projects and have oodles of crochet magazines going back for decades anyway. Your letter has been al over the internet for months now and I reposted it again on my FB tonight. knitting is sadly very political and has been for centuries! But of course that’s not what happened. Mimi – I was at an LYS Sock-A-Long and everyone was bashing Trump. Your email address will not be published. Voicing a conservative opinion on the main boards is almost like sticking a target on yourself and inviting people to take a shot a you. Where adults will be encouraged to be loving, kind, and mature Adults! We are not. She also became the second Moderator pretty quickly, and was such a help to EllieJane that I can’t even describe it. GENIUS! Too much negativity- as so many others have said, knitting/crocheting used to be something that brought us all together. Love the whole thing, but especially the next to the last paragraph, “I can’t in good conscience……”. I’ve been a member of Ravelry since the by invite only days. . ~Cheri~. Maybe if the anti-trump people could keep their lack of support for the administration out of the knitting community as well. I know, I know. To prepare for 2020, it’s resurrecting the playbook, as are other social media sites. You can love me and not like my decisions! When I think of their website I just picture a little place full of hate. I’m a straight white girl who was raised going to church regularly. I’m looking forward to checking them out! I’m pretty easy going and will listen to boths sides of an argument, even giving the other side the benefit of the doubt. They need to hear from the liberal side of people also find these policies unacceptable. I assure you that it’s possible to think for yourself and be liberal. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. I’m thinking of just keeping my account for my pattern library. I left after their post on Instagram said there could be no discussion. I don’t care if you are Mormon, Catholic, Jewish or Hindu. Trump bashing and hating all who supported him was OK! Ravelry has 10 repositories available. Just strive to be a kind and caring person. No one ever became enlightened and ‘better’ by having fingers wagged at them and being called names. This is by far the best response to this situation I’ve read so far. new forum sites in the works right now. Another that was started last week is Ourunraveled.com. It is a favorite of mine when knitting hats for charity. I have enough patterns and yarn to last me way into the next ice age. because I want to review several thousand favorites (been on ravelry since 2011) and take note of the designers whose patterns I have resonated with and hopefully find their own websites which I can make note of for future exploring and inspiration. Yours is The only perspective that makes any sense for healing a divided country. 1) Go to your "about me" page. Moreover, as Moi pointed out, these were tiny groups with perhaps 20 members active at any given time while, as a Ravelry administrator had acknowledged in earlier correspondence, other political content groups numbered in the thousands. You write extremely well. Let them enjoy it because they’ll have to endure 4 more years of Trump regardless of what they and Google di to try to stifle our voices. It has morphed into a site with “groups” for everything from people who like certain TV shows, to those who have particular affection for their pets or their pet cause, to people proud of their ethnic, religious, or political affiliations … to those that proudly proclaim themselves to be Lazy, Stupid & Godless (a.k.a. Which is exactly how they acted just by making it an issue. Just because you have a different political view, it doesn’t mean we can’t communicate. Or judged. Make sure to explain why you are deleting your account. Not cool at all. or to mitigate incidences of discrimination which violate Federal law and result in damages (either material damages or “pain and suffering”). Thank you for your words. One thing I’m wondering is will those patterns still be available in other users libraries once they have been removed from Ravelry? What is the point other than showing their hate for certain groups of people. I am not the best at putting my thoughts to words, but this is my attempt: I agree with their stance of not supporting white supremacy. Brings up interesting questions about Intellectual Property Rights. Before my children came along and changed my focus, I was active in some of the earliest internet knitting ListServ groups. Lottsa books out there. They just said no one could talk about Trump. It just felt like new do as I say kids had taken the reins. His obvious disdain for people less fortunate is sickening. Shutting down speech does not change hearts and minds. Thank you so eloquently writing how I feel. Follow their code on GitHub. They singled people out in particular. Thank you. but sadly, it’s not Greg, I’ve been following you for a few years now. I am deeply disappointed that Ravelry has gone the way of the insane and alienated so many. I’m curious how many have left, I’m on my way out as well. Same with Alice Starmore. just didn’t suit a group geared to discussing politics … after all, in polite conversation don’t you avoid religion and politics? You can write and write…and just hope to God it is read by someone who will appreciate it. Be calm and Knit On!! I think you have this idea because YOU weren’t the one attacked. Sadly I have been proved wrong. I’ve often thought of making a special photobook of it, I adore the loving collection hand-knits! I can’t be on another site that promotes segregation and negativity, we get enough of that everywhere else. Lumping people together is what got us to where we are right now. I left a comment saying why but they didn’t care. More importantly what boundary issues preclude individuals from keeping their political opinions to share on the multitude of sites dedicated to that sharing. Big difference. So, even though I’m not pro-Trump, I’m pro-freedom, and I’m anti-Fascist. I didn’t ever think about any of those issues with fellow knitters. Well said! Moi reached out to the Ravelry administration to protest what happened and that takes us to another post she wrote about her experience. I appreciate your post on this topic. These RPGers, the majority of whom spend their every waking hour on screens, couldn’t take the time to check online for the definition of nationalist. Ravelry could have taken the high road and banned all political speech. I am so mad I want to sue over freedom of speech. But we all did so with the utmost respect for each other and not one person ever left angry or hurt. As a knitting and fiber website, it has a shocking 9 million members. Mark my words. There have been a couple of Presidents who outright purged their Cabinets. No… Ravelry said Trump and his supporters are clearly ‘white supremacists’. I wish them well. And that my friends is exactly what Ravelry didn’t want. Support of the Trump administration is unambiguously support for white supremacy.” What more is there to understand or read? Post was not sent - check your email addresses! There are a whole lot of people around the world being kicked around that have no voice. That is not only untrue, it is hatefilled and abhorrent. While the label might run true for some of them, it does not for all. Knitting, spinning and raising sheep, designing yarn is a haven to me in a very loud intrusive world. Today’s Ravelry story, which goes back to the 2008 election, is especially interesting given that today is the day that Project Veritas revealed Google’s plan to prevent Trump’s reelection. Same here, I am leaving Ravelry due to the divisive agenda they are pushing. We have worked so hard for so many years to rid the world of prejudices. How are Trump’s people scum? It’s about making people ashamed of their country and their flag. I like to knit, crochet, weave, play music, walk in nature and watch Brit TV. Colleges and universities were major targets. Unless we act, we’re over. Before the fake Trump comments came along the discussion was fairly civilized. What I do know is that many of these decisions are based upon dialogues that sink into anger and ugly rhetoric is tossed around. I think now Ravelry is trying to be the place where one can feel safe to knit and enjoy this fibre arts passion. Love your words! Think about it: Jews worldwide number north of 13.5 million, or just about .02% of the population. Here are some reasons to celebrate: Who will they ban next? Of course one loss is more than enough…it’s already too much. The hat pattern which said ‘in God we trust’ was removed…or maybe it was ‘God is love’. Shame on you ravelry for being so judgemental. MizDi gives a vivid description of the type of conversations taking place in The Bunker’s knitting klatch, as well as they way in which the group’s moderators policed overt racism or other offensive material: As the election cycle came to a close, we got more and more negative attention [from SJW trolls]. Thank you for expressing MY feelings exactly. If it were my thing, I’d sign right up. There are jerks on both sides. I was so angry at the way they chose to enact their decision. Thus, we not only exchanged knitting information, we also told jokes, shared recipes and child-rearing tips, and (something I remember vividly) focused heavily on the uses and mis-uses of Peeps come Easter. I’m not trying to be contentious…I’m truly trying to understand that characterization, because I’ve met a lot of people who say they voted for Trump, and so far I wouldn’t say any of them are “scum.”. I’m so deeply saddened by this. How? We did, however, allow our members to equate BHO with a socialist, as his own words and actions had confirmed this to us. But now the highest-level positions of his Cabinet … I love the craft, and the history of the craft. You should start a blog! I mourn the loss of the patterns, and the friendship I originally found there. What I am interested in is finding inspiration to get the crafters of my own country to forget about race and the past and just sit down and knit, crochet, weave, spin etc and in the long run, pray together. Only praise for their decision it would seem. Besides drawing their line in the sand … I’m curious if Ravelry, which is only a total of five people per the sites About Page, actually contacted, notified, polled/questioned designers that use that platform to sell their patterns prior to deciding this new policy was a good idea. You hit all the parroted talking points and everything! Is it arrogance that they thought so many of their ‘customers’ would just roll over and capitulate to them? They sure didn’t think that all the way through.. Not necessarily ignorance. There’s only love in knitting…keep rocking the needles, my friend! I quoted their own mission statement when I quit revelry. No place for politics or racist, gender biased bullies. It’s not about conservatism at all, it is about a single man – I’m not going away just for one lousy guy – my knitting is way more important than that. I haven’t deleted my account for selfish reasons. Check out Open Ravel…. It had nothing to do with my political beliefs either, like this blogger – I did not like that ravelry professes to be all inclusive yet chose to exclude a group of people. I’m old! Labour denies reports it has lost 150,000 members over Brexit stance. It’s a continuation of the self-inflicted isolation we’ve created to shut out things we don’t like. Just have felt curious how the designers who sell on rav feel about the hateful new policy. I felt that there was no reason for the WAY it was written and using Trump and his administration as a scapegoat goat as well. Thank you. I’m with you on this. Yes, that happened during all of this. Sadly I downloaded a couple in another language so I will have to translate them. Thank you, Diana! I think here is what gets lost with that opinion. I just heard about this today from Crochet O’Clock and I am saddened by this accusation of being a white supremacist. Please tell me how you managed to delete your account. Instead, they are requesting that they keep their support of Trump and his administration off of Ravelry. Email address has been removed. As the campaign season wore on, we got more and more troll activity. I for one fail to see how it helps inclusivity or compassion to implement the policy Ravelry has with their banning of anything Trump. Thank you for this. That’s a double standard, it’s wrong and it’s far from even handed. You have stated why, I too, deleted my Ravelry account. May your intarsia be flexible and lie flat. The departures also means that Trump has an unusually high number of acting Cabinet members, posts that require Senate confirmation. Obama administration reports say that 2,325 U.S. soldiers had died in action as of October 2015, but a staggering 20,083 were wounded while fighting in Afghanistan. And if they are basing friendship on a political leaning they are REALLY not worth the tears. What didn’t seem to have changed since my time on the ListServs was that Ravelry was intended to bring people together around a shared interest, not drive them apart over something unrelated to the craft itself. I mean, really. Right now they just look like bigots. Thank you! I ask because I looked around that group and didn’t see anything objectionable, only the usual, we support Trump comments and liberals seem to be acting crazy these days. As a computer programmer, it’s hard to avoid Indian culture. That was really sweet of you. Greg, your post is eloquent, and the comments here are a sincere testimony to the true feelings of the Ravellers whom Ravelry would simply prefer not to hear from. I love My Country and whether you agree with The current Presidential administration or not you have to stand behind it..UNITED WE STAND AND DIVIDED WE FALL!! The reaction that Ravelry took is what is dividing this country, rather than bringing us together to have the necessary difficult conversations we need to be having. The whole point of the creative arts, such as knitting, is to engage in an activity that is de stressing and creates something beautiful. I also will be leaving soon…need to save all the many patterns in my library first and let some friends know. For anyone with an ipod or iphone, Lovecrafts has an app that allows you to transfer your patterns from Ravlery to Lovecrafts. I’m not helpless. I learned long ago that no matter how hard you try to persuade someone to change their mind about politics, the harder they dig in. Indeed, the better the student, the more they’ve absorbed the indoctrination. I’ve been reading and listening to many reflections on this sad state of affairs with ravelry’s divisive new policy…your words are my favorite and capture my sentiment exactly. Any person who still supports trump should notice that the KKK likes his policies as well, as do most of the 1020 active white hate groups now training in the US (https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map). While I fully support Ravelry and their bold decision to create a truly safe place by implementing this policy, I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your perspective. So for you l, hateful=any Trump? I look at blog and YouTube tip jars as nothing more than what I would pay to rent a movie, buy a magazine, etc. I feel as their new policy has succeeded in doing the exact opposite of what they claim they are wanting. Yesterday, Ravelry, one of the largest fiber arts social media sites, with a member roster 8,000,000 strong, made the equivalent of a loud, rude farting sound in the conservative blogosphere. Very well said! Susan, Pingback: Bigotry Is Not Ok (or Ravelry Is at It Again) - Dreaming If. Bravo. I find myself deciding to delete my Ravelry account for all the reasons you so eloquently stated even though I would describe myself as a liberal, non-supporter of Trump. Oh nice I’ll check out that FB group for sure!! You want us marginalized people to just go away so you can live above us like you always have. Everyone should be allowed to support their US President, no matter who is in office! I avoid Ravelry when possible but it would be nice to have a new site to use in it’s place as it’s wonderful exchanging Knitting ideas and promoting your patterns and or yarn’s. I agree that we all need havens from the storms around us. Sometimes it takes me a second to figure things out. I assure you that my next blog post will be devoted to you. That is why I simply had to have you tell me what is precisely objectionable. That’s how this works. They’ve gone welcome to all who believe only what I do, which I find deplorable. . The fiber community lost one of its most joyful members this week, with the death of Cat Bordhi on September 19. I actually didn’t even vote for Trump, but I’m one of those crazy people who support the office whether my preferred candidate made it there or not. Thank you for capturing what I’ve been thinking all week. I totally understand and back their need to protect all from sources of hate, which were brought on by some against the LGBT community, because it would eventually filter out to the religious communities and others. I always see people grieving over the loss of online friends.. So this isn’t about Ravelry controlling what is posted on Ravelry, it’s about Ravlery quashing free speech wherever it may occur. It has absolutely nothing to do with, and should have nothing to do with politics. I want to knit. This is THEIR quote from THEIR site from THEIR admins. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. You said it better than o could. I deleted my account also. I responded to the particularly…..that I felt as a designer on Ravelry the customers were being encouraged to NOT purchase my patterns because I did not fit in that category at all. 4. And these are supposed to be the coexist people. I think this is fair and I think that it keeps people connecting about knitting and fiber arts and not politics, that isn’t what their site it for. It doesn’t stand in the way of my friendship. Not one person has even attempted to answer it. It did so by openly and boldly announcing that all references on the site that in any way support Trump will henceforth be banned because (and I quote): “Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy.”. It’s about sharing a love for our craft, not drawing boundaries. the political opinion. It’s a talking point left wingers continue to use and they are LYING.. Strange, huh? We need to celebrate our communities and who we are. But by honoring deceased relatives and friends in a way that feels true to your relationship, it allows those people to be there in spirit. You’ll find in no time where you belong. I’m tired of people hating each other. The administration, however, felt it perfectly described the behavior that resulted when SJWs invaded conservative sites or followed conservatives to non-political sites. You want to “build bridges”. https://www.gofundme.com/f/fiberocity-online-fiber-community-project?fbclid=IwAR2d1ygyc26OhAllRDq2jIJPTPlqAvjSrhzbMsI7mwM86CWE8fgHnq8WS0M. I don’t care that you a conservative, or gay, or a male knitter. Maple Grove, MN. Ravelry isn’t trying to make people feel safe, it’s making them question how safe their neighborhood is. Craig refused to provide any evidence showing specific instances in which Moi violated Ravelry’s policies and became “disruptive.”. To prepare for 2020, it’s resurrecting the playbook, as are other social media sites. Second, I feel your pain. I want to delete my account, I don’t know how. Then deleting my acct. Thank you for your sensible comments. So what is the right supposed to do in that scenario.. just keep hearing it and not saying anything about it? They might find out you posted here and ban you too. How to find lost dividends and shares. I too, deleted my Ravelry account because I no longer felt wanted! 1. This research she has done is kind of an eye opener. Actually, I find it amusing that people who claim to be so inclusive are so bigoted. Deleted objectionable posts and monitored the situation. Those who seek to oppress and divide usually end up uniting good people. of hate speech but it’s rampant there.. even the far left LOVE hating on others.. It really hurt me to leave all my projects behind. Completely agree, I am slowly deleting my account because I need to save my projects and favorites but I couldn’t agree more. I thought it was the American way that a person can do what they want with their property. If you can’t see the difference or understand why a inclusive website(s) would do this it’s probably better that you do leave. As long as you respect me and treat me good I will do the same with you. As someone who is distinctly NOT a fan of the Trump administration, I have also left Ravelry for pretty much the same reasons. This was a very stupid and classless move on their part and has done nothing to help their business. I realize I am late to the party as this happened on the 25 of June, but I felt the same way. Deanna, they banned people just for having the kinds of discussion we are having on this blog. I also handcraft for relaxation, family, and charity; not for activism, but it would be heart breaking to give it up just because the ones who yell the loudest are on the opposite side of us politically! I left rather than continue to be a part of an organization where I felt unwelcome. I am a straight, white, conservative knitting enthusiast but I wasn’t there to push any agenda, or question anybody else’s belief system or way of life. But please feel free to throw some Star Wars our way, too! I was upset they would call me, a Southern, Christian woman who supports Trump, a racist. Hello, All, I would like to share with you a new website that is growing by leaps and bounds. Ravelry is way off the mark with their assumptions. Censoring half of your customers and not the other half is blatantly wrong. Because we cared. Please tell me why a person who voted for Trump is automatically a white supremist. Any members of Ravelry? There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that watches the show, that crab fishing on the Bering Sea is tough. There are also a couple of other websites in the works – ourunraveled.com and I believe there is another one that is not fully functional yet. I’ve been wondering about it ever since I deleted my Ravelry account a few days ago…. Don’t believe me? Thank you. And there has not been a single morning in my entire life that I have thought I am good because of my skin, although I *have* lived every day thinking I’m good, I’ll not deny that. or political hate speech. It’s not even about making money or having a successful business. If anything, Ravelry’s stance has been the kick-starter to start other fiber art online communities. Then Sunday morning I read the illogical policy change. You know, I overlooked d*#ks for teddy bears, f you “magic scarves”, and p*ssy hats. I haven’t been too Project Veritas’s most recent exposes of the social media giants show that they intend to use their extraordinary power over speech and information to return America to a 2008 political world. When hate supercedes anyone’s logical reasoning and narrows their ability to see beyond that hate. Knit on, my dude! I deleted my account on Ravelry as well. I don’t judge anyone, I don’t care of you are green, purple, black, white, gay, straight or in between. And Ravelry took a side.. instead of saying this is a non-political environment w/ absolutely no politics or world ideologies/views… they said “no trump support” and “if you support trump you support white supremacy” … so, nope we did not miss the point..we heard it loud and clear. I’m going to look on the bright side. As far as Trump goes? No evidence of the alleged doxing incident leading to the new Ravelry policy has ever been provided. May your wool be moth free and soft. But you’re only allowed to speak and post patterns if you’re an anti-Trump jerk. I, too, deleted my Ravelry account after they posted their ban. But you can’t have it both ways, and have it be respectful to the wide diversity of membership on Ravelry. If I was at all interested in politics, I would join a political platform. I don’t want my knitting site to get political. Back to MizDi: When John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his choice for the VP bid, we were *very* enthusiastic, and gained members in droves! But they didn’t let me be, and they didn’t let EllieJane be, so she started up her new group and invited me over to play. ... Arizona man has lost 5 family members … It’s time someone else started a group for what Ravelry was SUPPOSED to be meant for – a place to share and/or sell all aspects of the “yarn arts”. I’m sure most conservatives were underground/undercover about their views (doing their best, like me, to not make waves or rub anyone’s nose in Hillary’s loss), but people still have to be alienated even further. I want to share my life with kind hearted people with multi faceted viewpoints. Now it’s become ‘unfollow me. And I sent them a note, a friendly reminder: “These skeins were not spun to be weapons….”. For generations, these institutions of higher indoctrination have been churning out students who believe in Leftist ideas. My beliefs , political, religious, are my own. Like the opinion writer who recently wrote that every white person wakes up in the morning thinking they are good because of the color of their skin. “My decision to leave Ravelry was not politically motivated. I am thankful I saw your blog, and truly appreciate your thoughts. Oh, shit….I didn’t know I had done a Star Wars reference! Which I gather you include anything you disapprove of as HATRED. Ravelry is a free social networking service and website that beta-launched in May 2007. And that was great. Why does everything have to be so political! I get the last laugh though. And in between read a few new blogs and get to know other knitters out there. I support you wholeheartedly! These skeins, these needles, these movements of beauty that shift from knit to purl and back again to build something beautiful may be the only thing in this divisive time that some of us have in common. Ravelry is a privately owned company, they can make whatever policy they want. Shut up. Unlike Revelry, You will not be kicked out here on this site. Damn all others. They don’t want to bridge gaps. Thanks for your articulate and insightful blog post. I am keeping my Ravelry account, not because I am a liberal, but because I still want that creative connection. I have shared this so others can learn from you. Beautiful post. Can I say, too. Thanks for this, you have put it very well. Or maybe there was an enormous fiber enthusiasm generated worldwide that struck the hearts of people, no less than 1,000 a day, who are to busy yarning to post….anything. That’s awesome. But I guess as a conservative, Christian, Canadian woman, they didn’t want me anyway. I’m white. Somebody please explain to me! It is a work in progress, but a great place so far. Here’s what MizDi has to say about those groups (and keep in mind that this was all taking place back in 2009): For those that haven’t been keeping up, Ravelry used to be just a fiber arts community-type website. If anyone is interested, a new site has started called “Our Unraveled” based on the fact the moderator feels the country is becoming “unraveled”. Thank you for writing this and for the courage to do so. That’s how you end up with this: The first Obama election was a trial run; the second election was a proven formula; the Trump election was (for these indoctrinated tech types) a system failure; and they’re now doing their trial runs again. We cannot silently stand by while people spread their hate no matter what platform they choose to use, be it Ravelry, FB, or any other platform without speaking up. I have met so many amazing people through Ravelry – from all walks of life. The problem is that people who objected to the “F” Trump patterns were also demonized. But at the same time, I always felt that a knitting community, in which the sexual orientation of the members is irrelevant to why we are there, wasn’t really the place to promote a gay pride agenda. Putting aside the idiocy of that statement, one completely belied by Trump’s statements, his policies, and his supporters’ identities, statements, and political goals, I want to focus on Ravelry’s impulse to censor. Some of the best knitters I’ve ever known have been men (as was the best bobbin lace maker I’ve ever known). Required fields are marked *. So have several of my friends. Thank you. I appreciate your point of view. Thank you thank you. This would have been my choice. But they had to jump on the bandwagon with the liberal bullies. So….any advice on where I can go elsewhere to browse patterns? I too have closed my Ravelry account! My decision to leave Ravelry was not politically motivated. You obviously didn’t read or understand the post. I just want to knit. I just think it is a huge leap to judge and label a group of people just because you don’t agree with a few of their actions. It was the only conservative group on ravelry that was really vibrant and popular. The big advantage (and difference) is I get to pay after I’ve seen the content (try renting a movies that way). What would help if the non-Trump supporters and liberal voices share their frustration. Poverty, health, opportunities, heck even birthplace or knitting vs crochet can be a factor. Ravelry’s old logo, complete with Pride flag to show their history of inclusion. Back then, two conservative knitting bloggers told their tales at length. The Church of Scientology has often asserted that it has approximately ten million members worldwide. I would happily knit with you any day! How can you stand against us? Deleted mine as well. I also sew and quilt. I always said I could service on a deserted island with a couple of Elizabeth Zimmerman books and some yarn. Others have announced their leaving and are being told that they aren’t airports so they don’t need to announce their departures. And.. There was a mass exodus from the site and other businesses have stepped up to take their place. As a frequent visitor I found it posted on their site. Remember the ‘Nazi’s came for the gypsies & it didn’t affect me, they came for the homosexual, & it didn’t affect me so I said nothing…..then they came for me & there was no one left to help me…. Labeling anyone that is disagreed with as racist is beyond unconscionable. It will have a link to delete your account. A bit hypocritical. https://vb.ourunraveled.com/, Well said Gregory. For anyone looking to exit, you can export your data by hovering over your profile svstsr. When it happened there wasn't as much attention as there is now. Well said! My donate button is a “tip jar” for people who appreciate my writing, this blog, and would like to see it continue. All the members of Congress who have lost their primaries in 2020 so far, and why. And then have the nerve to say you’re upset that a knitting website is dividing us. And May you always be able to locate a tape measure when you need it. Thank you thank you thank you Gregory for being so thoughtful, fair- first time on your site but not the last! I agree. I recently bought a patten by Jenn Steingass who has a flair for patterned yoke sweaters but apparently has no web site and her presence in the knitting world seems to be only on ravelry. In the 22 years since I last put my knitting needles down, I’ve learned that the internet has become a superb knitting resource in ways I never could have imaged back in 1993 or 1994. There’s even a group that calls themselves “Ravelry Rubberneckers” (a.k.a. It’s unnecessary and really quite stupid!! First of all, many of us here have clearly stated that we never inserted ourselves in the political fray and would have been just as happy had there not been ANY political content at all. The system only shows 3334 pages of profiles, 30 per page. Now you can be as crappy as you want about Trump, and it’s applauded. Their offices. But, being devoid of political content was not what Ravelry said. I’m a straight white 64 year old female crochet addict. Here's a fun Ravelry tip. Consistent with this, the decline in church membership has been greater among Catholics. Originally I was going to ignore this because the ban doesn’t affect me, as I’ve never expressed anything political online nor wanted to make a MAGA tea cozy. Now I am being told I am a racist white supremacist. Figure the “member” button was for only members. like people judge me no matter what, and so I say little because in turn I fear the There is a new site coming to give Ravelry some competition: They will offer the same amenities as Ravelry but with upgraded new technology. The last sheep and wool festival I attended, all the left-leaning TDS knitters did was bash POTUS when no one was even discussing him.. they were so obsessed and it all started with those stupid pussy hats. I’m admittedly still not always exactly…. They should have banned ALL political post and kept the site about fiber arts! Well, you would think I would write that the trolling got so bad Ravelry told those sore winners to go elsewhere, either to another group within Ravelry or to another fiber arts site altogether. I would encourage people who are feeling outraged and confused by Ravelry’s behavior to read George Orwell’s novel “1984.” ThoughtCrime, FaceCrime–we’re living “1984.” Ravelry has fully revealed the fascism masquerading as liberalism. Well said. 2. Because I believe that I was created by a power who tells me I was wonderfully made. Be careful. I considered them beneath my acknowledgement when they pulled that bunny out of their brainless hat. How is that right? anyway.. Just requested to join the FB page, already almost a thousand strong! I find Ravelry’s behavior polarizing, I come to their site for the love of fiber not politics. Post after post they are proving Ravelry’s point while completely oblivious to their own hypocrisy. I want peace, and community. Ravelry has become a place for hate where personal attacks on people is common place. It a workhorse yarn. This story comes from two people: Moi, a conservative Hispanic and military wife, writing are here and here and MizDi, a conservative who blogged here. I did not vote for him, I do not like him, but I’ve come to learn he’s not any worse than some of the other presidents we’ve had. The hysteria over race, inclusion, exclusion, and anything else they can think of, keeps pushing division and devisiveness into Instagram and it increases the level and amount of vitriol being spewed with each attempt. Folks can call it right to expression if they want, but any educated person sees the wrong in that. I’ll be buying my patterns elsewhere from now though. As a rational person, I know that it’s virtually impossible for anybody to agree with 100% of the ideas of any party, given how few of them there are to choose from. . I love Ravelry & I literally used it every day. Gregory–THANK YOU– you put into words much more eloquently than I ever could. I guess as long as you agree with them its considered acceptable only. Is there ANYTHING any more that is exempt from politics? Thank you. Apparently, I’ve had my head stuck in the sand. You have a long way. I don’t want that for myself or anyone else. You can still participate if you do in fact support the administration, you just can’t talk about it here. I’m about as conservative as a person can be. I . There is something very curious going on that is discussed in the video. When another woman wrote to someone in Ravelry’s administration, the response referred to the conservatives as “children.”. Ravelry did this same thing to conservatives 10 years ago. Why didn’t they try to look past their own prejudice. Unheard of. I’ll see if I can provide a shorter version. You’re angry that people aren’t welcoming you with open arms, but how can you expect that when you stand with a group of people who actually genuinely want entire groups of humans to leave the country? I don’t care if they are male, female, or undecided. Aside from sources relating to Lost, there is no evidence for the existence of this band. They will not tolerate hate speech and will delete them immediately. You all need to wake up to the way you are being lied to by the media and your social networks. None of that matters. Dr. King had it right, he was a very wise man. Ravelry is so one sided. There seems to be no end to the utter stupidity of the political anti-Trump or anti-Clinton, or anti-fill-in-the-blank. The producers of Lost have asserted that Geronimo Jackson was a genuine, but obscure, 1970s rock band, which released one album entitled Magna Carta. I mean, really. backlash when I give a honest thought out, sane and neutral opinion. But we have to call it as it is. I think a lot of people fail to realize that behind many wonderful conservatives are people who just want to let others get on with their lives, and expect others allow them to do the same. During the last two weeks of the election cycle, the owner actually took away rights to click on “buttons” indicating “love”, “disagree”, “funny”, “educational” and “interesting” because of the drama it caused … we actually had trolls pile on, clicking “funny” in droves, when a member talked about her mother’s death. I don’t even feel comfortable or safe walking into a yarn store right now and I don’t know if I ever will again. It makes friends. Please keep the truth going and help change other views that we are not evil people. Likewise, our moderators simply deleted troll posts. They never said you weren’t welcome. Goes totally against the vein. How dare these people state that as fact when it is not! Go make new friends, find new faces and places where you can enjoy yourself. Moviepass ended 2016 with around 20,000 subscribers, when you had to pay $14.95 for the cheapest package. He just let me go. I too will be deleting my Ravelry account due to their intolerance, and looking forward to finding another site where we can share our love of crochet/knit etc and chat. Which was it? They say it’s not, but they are lying.. All the social media sites are trying to band together to keep us from knowing the truth about the Democrats and what they did with Hillary to stay in power. Politicians will come and go, all we really have in life is each other. Conservatives are being confronted all the time on that website because they don’t care about that. I have found this site…people who left Ravelry and want just a crafting/non-political site. I think people need to understand that this is about promoting anarchy and communism. ourunraveled.com That’s their point. Thank you for being honest. But it’s not only the titans, it’s every single white collar worker whom the titans employ. I look forward to finding out more about the fiberocity site. I do not feel welcome there anymore. Through knitting we should be hoping to build alliances with our alleged enemies through the majesty of our shared craft. was made by a person from Mississippi it was a racist remark), intolerant, homophobic, etc etc etc.  Any word you can think of (and you can even dig down into a dirty ditch and you’d probably pick up a name our group has been called) as derogatory. I agree with you, the site was a way for us as yarn artists to bond, share, heal, laugh and love. No administration lasts forever, but I fear the ability to have civil discourse is lost forever. The world has enough chaos, biases, division, and corruption. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. . Well said! I however sent them a letter questioning their new rule. I agree with everything you said. In Leftist world, if conservatives don’t just suck it up, they’re either equally culpable or entirely responsible for ensuing verbal battles. I knew something big was happening at Ravelry when all Pro-Trump patterns disappeared and when I asked about it on the Ravelry Help forum I was told my question was political. Ravelry never said that only some people belong here. None. Ravelry is a private group and have a right to make their policies as they see fit. The way he treats women, people of minority. I was referring to Carrie’s post about conservative Jedis. I downloaded my 115 purchased patterns and deleted my account. Oh he can still be talked about and trashed by liberals all day long. I deleted my account too. They are just simply showing us the door. But anti-conservatives can use whatever nasty expletives and rude, disrespectful comments in posts, patterns, etc. To combat inclusiveness, Ravelry decides to use oppression! All I care about is how you treat me. The only hatred I see or hear is coming from the MSM, members of Congress, groups like Antifa, and the left in general. Moi describes the same vicious attacks against conservatives: I remember last year, shortly before the elections, I made a post regarding the immigration issue.  I live in the Boarder-land so I know about illegal immigrants.  I made my opinion known honestly and would you believe that one of these “guests” had the nerve to send me a private message calling me a racist– when I am of Hispanic heritage. Now I’m labeled something ugly for agreeing. All I want to say is if this is a love that you have, lets not let these political views come into an art that brings comfort, love, & joy. You can’t unring that bell that we all heard loud and clear.. it was on Tucker Carlson’s show for goodness sake Ravelry took a side (insulted an entire group of people) and then broadcasted it for all the world to see. I can love you and not like your decisions! I no longer buy yarn from manipulative and entirely unkind indie dyers. That shop owner was stupid. I will speak out against injustice and bigotry, but none of that belongs in a creative environment (unless someone is disparaging someone else’s creative endeavors!). Truly, thank you so much for that! I haven’t been back on Ravelry in several days due to all the hatred that is being spewed in their forums and am not sure yet if I will keep my account with them or not. It’s akin to equating ivy with poison ivy. They didn’t say NO POLITICS they said trump supporters and supporters of his administration had better get in the closet and stay there or they will be banished. 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